You hit the nail on the head, Chloe. There are several scenarios that I am waiting for. My experience with IHOPKC is mainly from 9 months living in KC during times between Ukraine and China. We had 4 daughters go there through One Thing or FMA; 2 sons-in-law. My husband went through an internship. I cried all the time at FCF because I felt "left out." Nothing ever "happened" to me. I always felt empty. I could go on--the point is, the Lord was protecting me. And all my kids are following Jesus and out of there--though one was still going to FCF when all the scandal came out. She and her hubby were devastated. They are attending a house church now, full of former IHOPers to heal together. Anyway, I wanted to drop in and say hello and that I am "proud" of you (in motherly way) that you remain steadfast in the Lord. That just proves it is indeed not US , but HIM! He holds us! Blessings
Thank you Jeanne! A lot of people had similar experiences at IHOP of feeling "left out" or that nothing crazy was happening to them. Thank you for sharing and I appreciate your support
Isaiah 40:27b “My way is hidden from the Lord, and my right is disregarded by my God. . . “ I have felt this way through out this debacle, though I have no direct experience with IHOPKC or any other Bickleism. My first encounter with the whole insane mess came when my little Nazarene Church in Montana called a pastor from Michigan who endorsed Robert Morris and Nate Johnston which I felt was out of harmony with Nazarene doctrine. I raised concerns back in February 2024, after listening to his YouTubes and friended his wife on Facebook where I read prayers she’d posted that rang alarm bells 🔔. Further listening yielded an admonition from him to be more like Lebanon House of Prayer and be more like the “early church.” When I asked what he meant by that he did not answer. In fact he pulled a Bickle-esque blame shift and finally replied (after I asked leadership for help getting a response) that he’d received both my (short) emails and “chose not to answer.” WOW! I am an old lady who has moved around the west a lot and served in a lot of different churches including the one Jack Deere pastored in Whitefish, Montana in the 1990s. I have been church musician for 53 years, but more and more of my friends have been dismissed as inconsequential. I guess gray hair is only a crowning glory to God, not pastors who seem only interested in their own vision—not people. I love your comments and your heart comes through. I am writing this because you asked about interviews. I am wondering if you’d like to interview me and others like me who feel that their little country churches are being infiltrated by the midwestern crazies of Bickle land? Chloe, I always think of you as Zoe, Spirit. I grieve along with you and your parents and everyone involved, which is really the entire Christian community. Paul Cain came to Whitefish too, and I would recommend you interview Stephen Deere (also on Substack) and his sister Alese. It appears that Cain was influenced by Wm. Branham so take a look at John Collin’s work on all of that—it will blow your mind. My interest is really in the systems—because as a survivor of abuse, I recognize the grooming and the hiding and the control to protect the church leaders at all costs against the people. Joyner recently made a fool of himself calling Chris Reeds victim “the girl” “the problem” and referred to what came out as “it” !!!! Chloe, she was/is a woman! A person!!! And don’t forget Reed was Bickle’s “bouncer” at the door when Chan and the other guy were turned away. This is such a rats nest I have told my husband that I watch and read what happens next like it’s “entertainment” because these MEN —these “prophets” don’t seem to know AT ALL That Self-control is a fruit of the Holy Spirit!!
Keep writing. You and your sister and Blaise and his wife on Wake Up and Win are the generation of HOPE!!! Bless you and thank you for carrying the torch!
You hit the nail on the head, Chloe. There are several scenarios that I am waiting for. My experience with IHOPKC is mainly from 9 months living in KC during times between Ukraine and China. We had 4 daughters go there through One Thing or FMA; 2 sons-in-law. My husband went through an internship. I cried all the time at FCF because I felt "left out." Nothing ever "happened" to me. I always felt empty. I could go on--the point is, the Lord was protecting me. And all my kids are following Jesus and out of there--though one was still going to FCF when all the scandal came out. She and her hubby were devastated. They are attending a house church now, full of former IHOPers to heal together. Anyway, I wanted to drop in and say hello and that I am "proud" of you (in motherly way) that you remain steadfast in the Lord. That just proves it is indeed not US , but HIM! He holds us! Blessings
Jeanne Jorash
Thank you Jeanne! A lot of people had similar experiences at IHOP of feeling "left out" or that nothing crazy was happening to them. Thank you for sharing and I appreciate your support
Isaiah 40:27b “My way is hidden from the Lord, and my right is disregarded by my God. . . “ I have felt this way through out this debacle, though I have no direct experience with IHOPKC or any other Bickleism. My first encounter with the whole insane mess came when my little Nazarene Church in Montana called a pastor from Michigan who endorsed Robert Morris and Nate Johnston which I felt was out of harmony with Nazarene doctrine. I raised concerns back in February 2024, after listening to his YouTubes and friended his wife on Facebook where I read prayers she’d posted that rang alarm bells 🔔. Further listening yielded an admonition from him to be more like Lebanon House of Prayer and be more like the “early church.” When I asked what he meant by that he did not answer. In fact he pulled a Bickle-esque blame shift and finally replied (after I asked leadership for help getting a response) that he’d received both my (short) emails and “chose not to answer.” WOW! I am an old lady who has moved around the west a lot and served in a lot of different churches including the one Jack Deere pastored in Whitefish, Montana in the 1990s. I have been church musician for 53 years, but more and more of my friends have been dismissed as inconsequential. I guess gray hair is only a crowning glory to God, not pastors who seem only interested in their own vision—not people. I love your comments and your heart comes through. I am writing this because you asked about interviews. I am wondering if you’d like to interview me and others like me who feel that their little country churches are being infiltrated by the midwestern crazies of Bickle land? Chloe, I always think of you as Zoe, Spirit. I grieve along with you and your parents and everyone involved, which is really the entire Christian community. Paul Cain came to Whitefish too, and I would recommend you interview Stephen Deere (also on Substack) and his sister Alese. It appears that Cain was influenced by Wm. Branham so take a look at John Collin’s work on all of that—it will blow your mind. My interest is really in the systems—because as a survivor of abuse, I recognize the grooming and the hiding and the control to protect the church leaders at all costs against the people. Joyner recently made a fool of himself calling Chris Reeds victim “the girl” “the problem” and referred to what came out as “it” !!!! Chloe, she was/is a woman! A person!!! And don’t forget Reed was Bickle’s “bouncer” at the door when Chan and the other guy were turned away. This is such a rats nest I have told my husband that I watch and read what happens next like it’s “entertainment” because these MEN —these “prophets” don’t seem to know AT ALL That Self-control is a fruit of the Holy Spirit!!
Keep writing. You and your sister and Blaise and his wife on Wake Up and Win are the generation of HOPE!!! Bless you and thank you for carrying the torch!